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yet don't we see lights anomalies

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ghost-like apparitions and we see things

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our minds tell us shouldn't be there

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end high strangeness and the Bigfoot

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phenomenon by Joshua kuchen and Timothy

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changing the game of cryptozoology with

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no further ado Joshua Quechan welcome to

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the hero paranormal podcast it sounds

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pretty good

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good hey my man I can't thank you enough

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for coming on and joining me to discuss

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like one of my favorite topics the the

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the artwork in the book is so cool - did

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you happen to do that yourself book yep

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yeah that's that's that's killer

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yeah well oh I got in Keith yeah he

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brings so people are always like you

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know where's the Olympic you book coming

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out with a book coming up I'm like folks

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you don't want you don't want you don't

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want the e-book you want this no you

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want that you want the hardcover because

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I think that I think that's like there's

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probably a good seven or eight

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illustrations that you don't get in the

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e-book that you get in the physical book

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yeah it's amazing and they're really

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cool the cover two is the creativity is

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just it's amazing if it's okay I'd like

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to read a review of where the footprints

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and is that okay if you'd like to read

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it read it review it yeah

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it's just it's great okay let me pull it

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up here I think this is the most

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accurate review - it is no no no it's

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it's great it's it's actually let's see

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it is by Greg Newkirk oh yeah okay

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yeah it's okay so the the review is this

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merely encountering a lost ape kuchen

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and Renner dig into the details they've

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swept under the rug excavating countless

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abductions than they do with primatology

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meticulously researched and backed up

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Joshua like what got you down this path

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this you know supernatural child

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paranormal those sort of things um in my

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very contact experiences that you would

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similarities but especially those

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point where I said you know I can pretty

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much find anything in alien abduction

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inferior and that's been very true

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if this congruous and what about these

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fitting in I'm like oh no they actually

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do fit especially if you turn your head

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the realm of the Dead connected to fairy

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cases like the famous up you know

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always lanús is in looking at the

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consistencies between these sort of

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accounts veracity that really attracts

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between accounts so I don't know if this

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person is telling the truth and I don't

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know if this person from you know the

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Belgian Congo is telling the truth but

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reality behind that and that's what I

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Bigfoot at all you know I think it's

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connection that tim-tim rare found um

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it's just it's it's been the gift that

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keeps on giving because there are these

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some Bigfoot encounters that get

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underreported so just shining a light on

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push over the edge to actually think

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and I I could have had Tim on as well

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but maybe next time I I want to get to

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that Pennsylvania case as well as at the

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story well so if you look at if you look

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just kidding what seems like if you look

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an invasion it seems like he was getting

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modern cryptozoology is that it should

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must be just some sort of you know

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relatively mundane ate or missing link

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and I think there's ample evidence to

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push back on that I think the case that

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you're referring to the big case that

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opens up the book is the the Fayette

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County Pennsylvania case where they do

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the case from that era in terms of just

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name of George logic and he recalled

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seeing this large large ball of light

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land on his his father's farm and they

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go there this giant like or that's just

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glowing and as it go out in the field

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they see these trees like there's this

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whistling sound and they hear these two

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thing they shoot these traits around

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that it so what that means you know they

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can actually see the realm you know

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because they're illuminated as being

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tracer rounds and even when they they

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were sure that they hit them and we just

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make this sound like dropping a bullet

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into the water and that's kind of the

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main the main narrative here in a lot of

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these books because this case has been

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talked about that nauseam Tim did a

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great job of digging up some further

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research once Dan Gordon arrived on the

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scene the glowing orb was gone it was

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still bright enough that he could he

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said he could read a newspaper in the

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center of the landing site but also one

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of the witnesses just went completely

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deranged and you know claimed to have

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these these visions this was you know

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the gentleman I was talking to Walter

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apocalyptic visions of you know sort of

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the end of the world a sort of Grim

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Reaper thing and the story just keeps on

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getting weirder and weirder because the

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aftermath is just as odd he claimed that

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he didn't need his glasses anymore after

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having this apocalyptic vision after

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seeing UFO and Bigfoot and he was

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visited by some people from some

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individuals who to sort of had a min and

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black sort of role they told him that he

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should you know look into this there you

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know much further and yeah it's very

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it's a very strange story and it sort of

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is the litmus test

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for which all this other weird phenomena

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seems to conglomerate and it's

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interesting there are some people who

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have said that Bigfoot for the hunter

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who sees Bigfoot like you know walking

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through a forest while they're out

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hunting deer yes it does seem like a

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large hairy primate there's no reason to

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suspect otherwise but for people who

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have longitudinal interactions with

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these things on their property the

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people that we would call habituate errs

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they tend to describe things that sound

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a lot stranger and tend to resonate with

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things like poltergeist phenomena and

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hauntings you know sometimes seeing

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completely separate entities you know

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other than Bigfoot in the same area some

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people claim that you are long term

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habituated to seen you know these these

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Sasquatch that appear in their room in

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the rooms of their house and just sort

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of fade away and disappear and you know

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obviously not everyone is equally

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credible but the number of stories that

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that we found going through this going

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through the research for this book the

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number of stories where there was

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something weird but it got as Tim likes

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to say weird washed like they took just

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just the stuff that makes it sound like

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a big hairy ape and through all the

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weird stuff it happened Simon again

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there's two famous cases that I can

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think of off the top of my head one of

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course is you know eight Canyon which

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nobody has necessarily really gone out

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of their way to deny some of the

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stranger aspects of that Seminole

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encounter but at the same time you hear

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in almost every documentary about

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Bigfoot and they never talk about the

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weird stuff ever and then another one is

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uh this case out of organ that I talk

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about in the book that you know

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basically it describes it could you

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could take the narratives out of this

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particular newspaper article and drop it

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into a newspaper in 1812 in Ireland and

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everybody be like oh yes a fairy story

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except it's a fairy story with a giant

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12-foot pie you know man monster covered

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in hair covered in fur you know I found

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that same story in another book about

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large hairy hominid and they take all

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the weird stuff out you know which is in

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this case involved unearthly music this

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weird domed illuminated layer of the

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creature and this female captive who

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comes up and says please I'll freak you

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know your life depends on if this

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interconnected web just in absolute

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confusion but the thing that really

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becomes clear that these these sort of

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motifs and ideas dovetail and good

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I can force you know that they tend to

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cross-pollinate 11 I love your comment

349
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that is used in the book about consider

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the company that these things keep

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because you know it's interesting that

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you go into detail with the glowing orb

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I don't know if I'm gonna go against a

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BFRO NDA or not I'm gonna tread very

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carefully here but to not go into any

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detail myself and another researcher saw

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something on an expedition moments later

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a father and a son saw something and

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then they saw a glowing orb and because

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they saw the glowing orb the entire

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entire sighting that they had moments

362
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later was completely discounted they

363
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took me and the other researcher aside

364
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and separated us and got our information

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and they told the father and son sorry

366
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what do you mean maybe next time yeah

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it's weird like these things yeah in

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terms of the company they keep like

369
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that's something I told Tim a long time

370
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ago because we were talking about you

371
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know I mean I have so I mean I have a

372
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real soft spot for taking these things

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at cryptozoological face value in terms

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of being what we all thought they were

375
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as kids right like you know it's a

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Bigfoot is if you know a relic hominid

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and the Loch Ness monster the pleaseö

378
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sort but then you look at the fact that

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you know Loch Ness and that surrounding

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area has some really strange occult

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activity it's it's it's you know it's in

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an area that I would say is not it's

383
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certainly not a UFO dead zone I'd say

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that and then you look at the fact too

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that you know none other than Aleister

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Crowley said of the les canal so the

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shores of Loch Ness and like oh that

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sounds like this might be something a

389
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little bit more occulted than just a you

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know really species of dinosaur or

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something and I love those ideas they're

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romantic and I think that cryptozoology

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is a truly useful discipline they should

394
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be recognized for the powerful tool that

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it is i mean i i'm literally waiting any

396
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day now for us to have solid proof that

397
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there's a still a breeding population of

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silencing in australia you know the

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tasmanian tiger because there's such

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good photographic and

401
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and you know you know sort of secondary

402
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evidence for the existence of them and

403
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that's that's truly I think we're

404
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cryptology should be putting all its

405
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effort forward but you know if you're

406
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trying to work backwards from the idea

407
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that we're dealing with giant you know

408
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monkeys and then you have to try to

409
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retroactively leaf it glowing bulbs

410
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light in there I think that's sort of a

411
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fool's errand and stories like that

412
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really underscore that the fact that

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that these things get really weird

414
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really quick yes and I totally

415
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understand what the BFRO and other

416
00:18:02,460 --> 00:18:00,370
organizations are up against because

417
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they're already kind of trying to bring

418
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science into a fringe area where where

419
00:18:07,919 --> 00:18:07,270
they just want to stick to the facts

420
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ma'am

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type mentality yet you know they go you

422
00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:14,260
know some reports are just not even even

423
00:18:20,370 --> 00:18:16,809
classified it's it's so it's such a gray

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area and it's I think it's interesting

425
00:18:25,649 --> 00:18:23,710
that you there is a chapter and I'm I

426
00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:25,659
don't I'm gonna mess this word up I know

427
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I am so maybe you can help me Joshua

428
00:18:37,890 --> 00:18:34,890
wildness Geist wildness guys yeah so

429
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yeah you know I think that this is a

430
00:18:42,090 --> 00:18:40,390
problem we've seen in ufology too which

431
00:18:43,500 --> 00:18:42,100
is this idea that they wanna they just

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want to see the big kids table and

433
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winter night I make it argue I made

434
00:18:53,899 --> 00:18:50,590
argue in a a collection of essays from

435
00:19:03,180 --> 00:18:53,909
back in in 2000 I guess it was probably

436
00:19:06,419 --> 00:19:03,190
2017 now and it was you know they're

437
00:19:07,860 --> 00:19:06,429
basically this idea is that we shouldn't

438
00:19:09,570 --> 00:19:07,870
we shouldn't shy away from the weird

439
00:19:11,010 --> 00:19:09,580
parts of these stories because science

440
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:11,020
is getting weirder and weirder by the

441
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day I mean come on anybody who follows

442
00:19:17,940 --> 00:19:15,880
any sort of science magazine in their

443
00:19:20,669 --> 00:19:17,950
social media feed knows Sciences saying

444
00:19:23,310 --> 00:19:20,679
stuff that it came from you know Richard

445
00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:23,320
C Hoagland or somebody you know one of

446
00:19:26,909 --> 00:19:25,330
the fringe of your kind of people in a

447
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:26,919
lot of these topics like we would laugh

448
00:19:30,149 --> 00:19:28,570
at it but oh it's coming from it's

449
00:19:31,740 --> 00:19:30,159
coming from CERN and they're saying they

450
00:19:34,289 --> 00:19:31,750
see a dimension that moves backwards

451
00:19:36,649 --> 00:19:34,299
okay that makes sense so not only that

452
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:36,659
but also you know there's this robust

453
00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:39,490
strong tradition that's really really

454
00:19:41,470 --> 00:19:40,370
pulling the rug out

455
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:41,480
from underneath the material of

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physicalist paradigm and I think that is

457
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:45,740
no better Illustrated than in the work

458
00:19:49,299 --> 00:19:48,290
of people like Dean Radin and Darrell

459
00:19:50,860 --> 00:19:49,309
dim and some of these other

460
00:19:52,750 --> 00:19:50,870
consciousness researchers who are really

461
00:19:54,790 --> 00:19:52,760
at the bleeding edge of this but you

462
00:19:55,930 --> 00:19:54,800
know to circle back around to that the

463
00:19:58,090 --> 00:19:55,940
term that you mentioned you know

464
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villainous guys it occurred to me a

465
00:20:01,660 --> 00:20:00,110
while back keeping that sort of you know

466
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the company these things keep sort of

467
00:20:07,810 --> 00:20:04,910
mindset that there were a lot of cases

468
00:20:09,670 --> 00:20:07,820
on things like the the BFRO website that

469
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,680
are Class B reports which are things

470
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:11,360
that people attribute to Bigfoot but

471
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:12,559
they don't see a Bigfoot so we're

472
00:20:16,299 --> 00:20:14,000
talking about you know strange voices in

473
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the forest strange smells

474
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:18,470
you know rocks and limbs being thrown at

475
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:19,850
you hearing would knock seeing

476
00:20:25,540 --> 00:20:23,450
footprints seeing handprints you know

477
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:25,550
gifts being left behind and it occurred

478
00:20:28,750 --> 00:20:27,200
to me that in the absence of Sasquatch

479
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if you take all those things and put

480
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them into a house you've got a

481
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poltergeist case like those are all 100%

482
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hallmarks of poltergeist kate's you know

483
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we think of poltergeist as being you

484
00:20:40,810 --> 00:20:39,410
know rattling cupboards and and banging

485
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:40,820
dishes and and and while that is

486
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something that happens a lot of the time

487
00:20:45,730 --> 00:20:43,940
the things that manifest are you know

488
00:20:48,340 --> 00:20:45,740
strange of ports which find precedent

489
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:48,350
and Bigfoot or with these gifts you know

490
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:51,770
also you know rocks materializing and

491
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falling from the ceiling inside that are

492
00:20:56,169 --> 00:20:54,350
warm to the touch well a lot of these

493
00:20:57,940 --> 00:20:56,179
rocks that people get hit with in

494
00:21:00,520 --> 00:20:57,950
Bigfoot these Bigfoot classier sightings

495
00:21:01,630 --> 00:21:00,530
are all so warm to the touch but people

496
00:21:03,790 --> 00:21:01,640
assume it's Bigfoot holding them in

497
00:21:06,610 --> 00:21:03,800
their hand well it's also like I said a

498
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:06,620
hallmark of poltergeist activity um you

499
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:10,250
know smells strange voices footprints

500
00:21:13,930 --> 00:21:12,410
knocks especially I mean you know the

501
00:21:16,570 --> 00:21:13,940
two places that you'd find poltergeists

502
00:21:18,490 --> 00:21:16,580
were around you know are generally

503
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around an adolescent who typically is

504
00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:20,480
going through some sort of trauma or you

505
00:21:25,450 --> 00:21:23,000
know is pubescent and is sort of coming

506
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into puberty or you find them in seances

507
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and the chief means of communicating

508
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with a medium in a seance was by

509
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knocking you know knocking on you know

510
00:21:36,490 --> 00:21:34,100
the walls are knocking rapping on the

511
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table and then you couple that to with

512
00:21:39,790 --> 00:21:38,270
the fact that these poltergeists that

513
00:21:41,410 --> 00:21:39,800
were seen in these seances sometimes had

514
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:41,420
physical forms that manifested as large

515
00:21:47,049 --> 00:21:44,690
hairy ape men so it seems to me that

516
00:21:48,370 --> 00:21:47,059
we're describing two sets of phenomena

517
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and the only thing that's really

518
00:21:51,340 --> 00:21:50,300
different is the settings so you know

519
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:51,350
that I don't think anybody has really

520
00:21:55,169 --> 00:21:52,720
ever talked about the possibility

521
00:21:57,779 --> 00:21:55,179
they're being like a poltergeist that

522
00:21:59,340 --> 00:21:57,789
exists outside of house so for me I

523
00:22:01,289 --> 00:21:59,350
thought that the idea of illness guys

524
00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:01,299
you know from poltergeist is noisy

525
00:22:06,899 --> 00:22:05,500
poltroon noisy ghost guys or spirit

526
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:06,909
I thought build miss Geist you know

527
00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:09,760
wilderness spirit might be a fitting

528
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:11,289
term for these phenomena because look

529
00:22:16,110 --> 00:22:14,559
people have seen Bigfoot vocalizing and

530
00:22:17,820 --> 00:22:16,120
they've seen them throwing stones and

531
00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:17,830
they've seen them in conjunction with

532
00:22:22,830 --> 00:22:19,870
bad smells and they see that you know in

533
00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:22,840
conjunction with a lot of stuff so I'm

534
00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:24,130
not saying that isn't the case sometimes

535
00:22:27,539 --> 00:22:26,049
but at the same time if you didn't see

536
00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:27,549
Bigfoot to it you don't know a Bigfoot

537
00:22:31,649 --> 00:22:30,370
did it so it's just trying to get people

538
00:22:32,850 --> 00:22:31,659
to think in different ways you know I

539
00:22:35,159 --> 00:22:32,860
think if people would go through the

540
00:22:36,690 --> 00:22:35,169
book chapter by chapter expecting some

541
00:22:39,659 --> 00:22:36,700
sort of grand thesis where we all tie it

542
00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:39,669
together we don't we can't because you

543
00:22:44,850 --> 00:22:41,830
know whatever the phenomena is sheer so

544
00:22:47,490 --> 00:22:44,860
many attributes so closely with a lot of

545
00:22:48,990 --> 00:22:47,500
different other folk traditions that it

546
00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:49,000
really isn't possible to nail your to

547
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:50,049
nail anything down the only conclusion

548
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,690
that we really reach honestly

549
00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:54,400
and of course it's split I mean if we

550
00:22:57,330 --> 00:22:55,809
have any true sense of conclusion

551
00:22:59,640 --> 00:22:57,340
they're going to come in book two but um

552
00:23:01,560 --> 00:22:59,650
so it's split time it's kind of a little

553
00:23:05,940 --> 00:23:01,570
bit arbitrarily after the woman in white

554
00:23:07,140 --> 00:23:05,950
chapter but um the main conclusion that

555
00:23:08,669 --> 00:23:07,150
we have and I've talked to him about

556
00:23:11,399 --> 00:23:08,679
this numerous times is that you know we

557
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:11,409
just don't know but if you are

558
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:12,730
intellectually honest about a lot of

559
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:14,530
this data it seems to push you farther

560
00:23:18,510 --> 00:23:16,510
away from the from the wood eight

561
00:23:21,210 --> 00:23:18,520
hypothesis which what I mean

562
00:23:22,830 --> 00:23:21,220
a group of monster kid I wanted to

563
00:23:25,860 --> 00:23:22,840
capture Bigfoot like that sounds great

564
00:23:27,899 --> 00:23:25,870
but if I'm looking at all this body of

565
00:23:30,299 --> 00:23:27,909
evidence and how even some of these

566
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,309
mundane stories have these things that

567
00:23:34,529 --> 00:23:32,559
were attributed to witches or to fairies

568
00:23:37,289 --> 00:23:34,539
or - you know Harry ghosts back in other

569
00:23:38,909 --> 00:23:37,299
other you know centuries it makes me

570
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:38,919
wonder if we're not dealing with

571
00:23:42,419 --> 00:23:40,210
something a little bit more people

572
00:23:43,860 --> 00:23:42,429
literally paranormal I hated the idea of

573
00:23:44,940 --> 00:23:43,870
paranormal big fat at one point but the

574
00:23:47,399 --> 00:23:44,950
more I look at I'm like oh this is

575
00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:47,409
actually kind of in it's only semi

576
00:23:52,380 --> 00:23:49,270
exploitive I know that explaining one

577
00:23:54,570 --> 00:23:52,390
unknown with another unknown is is is

578
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:54,580
problematic in and of itself but you

579
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,320
know it's 60 Plus 70 plus years of

580
00:24:02,909 --> 00:24:00,880
looking for a large hairy hominid in

581
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:02,919
North America doesn't do the trick and

582
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,530
maybe we have a Trier a different

583
00:24:09,860 --> 00:24:06,240
different angle in terms of how we how

584
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:09,870
we interrogate these topics and you know

585
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,330
Joshua I think you're right

586
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:14,400
like there's no there's no 100%

587
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:17,510
conclusion but the consistencies are

588
00:24:23,060 --> 00:24:20,640
remarkable and those simple numbers I

589
00:24:25,610 --> 00:24:23,070
wanted to get into the gaulden Cornell

590
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:25,620
the generalities of poltergeist activity

591
00:24:31,790 --> 00:24:29,490
and Bigfoot and you know just how you

592
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:31,800
know these things are 100 times more

593
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:34,290
active at night like it goes through

594
00:24:40,130 --> 00:24:37,010
like 64 percent of the cases

595
00:24:43,220 --> 00:24:40,140
manipulation of small objects 58 percent

596
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:43,230
peaked after nightfall 48 percent

597
00:24:50,540 --> 00:24:44,970
involved those trapping sounds pretty

598
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:50,550
interesting stuff yeah study I think to

599
00:24:55,850 --> 00:24:52,530
my knowledge is probably the largest

600
00:24:58,100 --> 00:24:55,860
study in terms of studying poltergeist

601
00:24:59,900 --> 00:24:58,110
phenomena in terms of the data center

602
00:25:01,880 --> 00:24:59,910
they use they took took a look at about

603
00:25:04,490 --> 00:25:01,890
a hundred and seventy years worth of

604
00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:04,500
cases like you said it's all things you

605
00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:06,270
would expect of pics of phenomena

606
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:07,710
there's a increased amount of activity

607
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,770
at night you know there were a lot of

608
00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:12,720
you know almost half the cases involved

609
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:14,700
these rapping sounds which in Bigfoot

610
00:25:18,050 --> 00:25:15,960
lore are wood knocks

611
00:25:19,790 --> 00:25:18,060
for some reason Bigfoot likes to bang on

612
00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:19,800
trees or bang rocks together or make

613
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:23,640
these knocking sounds but it's the exact

614
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:25,320
same form of spirit communication that

615
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:26,640
you find these seances and in these

616
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:28,530
poltergeist cases um you know moving

617
00:25:40,570 --> 00:25:34,320
heavy furniture there was a case from it

618
00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:40,580
was a case from snow Grove Lake Canada

619
00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:44,520
where an individual had a cabin that was

620
00:25:50,180 --> 00:25:46,200
up there filming for the Monster quest

621
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:50,190
TV series and they actually had the

622
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:52,170
cabin ransacked and this was an area

623
00:25:59,900 --> 00:25:56,970
with a lot of Bigfoot activity that you

624
00:26:01,340 --> 00:25:59,910
know it's oddly enough the moment that

625
00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:01,350
they decide to leave for a while so

626
00:26:04,340 --> 00:26:02,820
something moves in and just tears the

627
00:26:06,140 --> 00:26:04,350
entire cabin apart now of course that

628
00:26:07,550 --> 00:26:06,150
could be a prime know logical behavior

629
00:26:09,380 --> 00:26:07,560
or something like a bear going through

630
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:09,390
the house but still that's the kind of

631
00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:10,200
thing you would expect from a

632
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:12,120
poltergeist infestation to is working

633
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:14,910
the furniture now something that the

634
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:17,250
original something really interesting

635
00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:18,240
that

636
00:26:21,530 --> 00:26:19,860
Moorehead in your in your book you

637
00:26:23,270 --> 00:26:21,540
mentioned Allen berry and Ron Morehead

638
00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:23,280
recording a series of peculiar

639
00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:25,320
vocalizations they're known as the

640
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:27,750
Sierra sounds and they involve

641
00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:29,970
disembodied voices can we go into that a

642
00:26:38,510 --> 00:26:35,270
little bit yes this book owes a large

643
00:26:40,220 --> 00:26:38,520
debt and obviously Ron Morehead is a

644
00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:40,230
great researcher in his own right but

645
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:43,320
the ants late and al-bari book Bigfoot

646
00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:45,809
which is out of print but has a bunch of

647
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,820
like weird really strange Bigfoot

648
00:26:50,270 --> 00:26:48,960
stories some of them were too long to

649
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:50,280
actually make it and either of our books

650
00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:55,559
but al Barry and Ron Morehead were in

651
00:27:01,640 --> 00:26:58,650
the Sierra Nevada mountains and they

652
00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:01,650
would leave a microphone ID and in

653
00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:03,030
several instances they got what sounded

654
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:04,800
like voices and and the most up-close

655
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:08,340
voices are really guttural and odd and

656
00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:11,730
strange I do an impression I don't know

657
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:13,860
if we want to do the head but they've

658
00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:15,480
been they've been sort of you can find

659
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:17,070
them online if you just do Bigfoot

660
00:27:21,740 --> 00:27:19,530
Sierra sounds and they've been sort of

661
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:21,750
referred to as sort of samurai chatter

662
00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:24,090
and there are some individuals you know

663
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:26,340
used to be Navy linguistics experts who

664
00:27:30,860 --> 00:27:28,890
have come in and said these frequencies

665
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:30,870
they're overtones etc they shouldn't be

666
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:32,370
able to be manufactured by the human

667
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:35,490
voice tracked by the human vocal cords

668
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:37,230
it basically just came through with a

669
00:27:41,060 --> 00:27:39,330
spectral analysis I said this should be

670
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:41,070
producible by human without any sort of

671
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:46,050
uh you know augmentation but it is this

672
00:27:51,980 --> 00:27:49,860
really animalistic guttural vaguely

673
00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:51,990
Asiatic sort of speech pattern which is

674
00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:54,030
why people call the samurai samurai

675
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:57,030
chatter case but Colin Wilson said of

676
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,770
the voices that people hear in

677
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:00,720
poltergeist cases he said they don't

678
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:02,370
sound like ordinary human voices at

679
00:28:06,980 --> 00:28:04,380
least not at first he says they start

680
00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:06,990
sounding guttural and as if it's made up

681
00:28:10,910 --> 00:28:08,700
from animalistic sort of grunts and

682
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:10,920
groans and that's exactly what is

683
00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:12,570
captured in the Sierra Nevada of the

684
00:28:20,690 --> 00:28:15,480
Sierra sounds tapes so again it's one of

685
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:20,700
those things I unless you know I think

686
00:28:27,409 --> 00:28:23,929
that all the things that I described

687
00:28:29,299 --> 00:28:27,419
enter in the open skies chapter I think

688
00:28:30,740 --> 00:28:29,309
they are coming from some sort of large

689
00:28:31,940 --> 00:28:30,750
hairy ape I just think that that large

690
00:28:33,470 --> 00:28:31,950
hairy ape sometimes

691
00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:33,480
somehow tied to the poltergeist

692
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:35,190
phenomena rather than saying it's just

693
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:37,320
poltergeist in the woods but like yeah

694
00:28:42,289 --> 00:28:39,240
20 similarities are just you know it's

695
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,299
bounding amazing amazing stuff so I

696
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:44,159
guess wrapping up for our non patron

697
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:47,760
listeners and I I think it's great how

698
00:28:53,659 --> 00:28:51,330
the the book really keeps tempo with

699
00:28:56,259 --> 00:28:53,669
like tongue-in-cheek humor while while

700
00:28:59,240 --> 00:28:56,269
delving deeply into the phenomenon and

701
00:29:02,720 --> 00:28:59,250
as an example can we discuss like the

702
00:29:04,639 --> 00:29:02,730
hairy fairies and modern fairy cases

703
00:29:07,419 --> 00:29:04,649
like the little foot or the what is it

704
00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:07,429
little feet or little footprints

705
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:09,720
yeah little footprints or little

706
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:14,690
footprints yes you know it's interesting

707
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,279
people would say you know you can't even

708
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:19,200
begin to comport number one fairies

709
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:22,409
don't exist which on the surface of that

710
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:23,850
comment I would I would tend to agree

711
00:29:30,399 --> 00:29:25,710
but I think that what fairy lore was

712
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,409
describing is absolutely dialed into

713
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:33,120
almost every aspect of the paranormal

714
00:29:38,779 --> 00:29:36,690
you'll ever find you know it's um I

715
00:29:41,659 --> 00:29:38,789
think that there's a strong case to be

716
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:41,669
made that if you wanted to approach the

717
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,250
paranormal with a fairy lore lens not

718
00:29:47,149 --> 00:29:45,840
only just again Western Europe but also

719
00:29:49,820 --> 00:29:47,159
worldwide which shares a lot of

720
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:49,830
commonalities um I think I think you'd

721
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,299
be hard-pressed to find anything that

722
00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:53,039
really falls outside of that sort of

723
00:29:57,529 --> 00:29:55,950
mythology in and of itself but the

724
00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:57,539
someone boughten people have that you

725
00:30:01,009 --> 00:29:58,980
know oval fairies are traditionally

726
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:01,019
little people so how does a large hairy

727
00:30:06,620 --> 00:30:04,710
monkey act like a fairy will setting

728
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:06,630
aside the you know the robust number of

729
00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:08,460
similarities in terms of their behavior

730
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,470
you know fairies didn't have to be small

731
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:12,480
fairies or rode the term fairy is really

732
00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:13,860
a catch-all for things that include

733
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:16,950
mermaids and Pixies and Giants and ogres

734
00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:21,120
and trolls and also elves and you know

735
00:30:24,409 --> 00:30:23,220
you know the wee folk and all these

736
00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:24,419
basically all these different it's like

737
00:30:30,379 --> 00:30:27,080
a Pokemon catalog subscribe to the path

738
00:30:32,509 --> 00:30:30,389
and not only that but fairies can also

739
00:30:34,879 --> 00:30:32,519
shape-shift I mean there's some for the

740
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:34,889
tail of an Icelandic changeling who in

741
00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:36,779
the in the story of the folk story it

742
00:30:39,649 --> 00:30:38,460
stretches so it's you know wakes up to

743
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:39,659
the mill the night when it's apparent or

744
00:30:42,620 --> 00:30:42,090
asleep in the stretches so hard but it

745
00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:42,630
actually reached

746
00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:44,520
you know it reaches the rafters as it

747
00:30:49,310 --> 00:30:47,220
stretches so the idea that like you know

748
00:30:51,980 --> 00:30:49,320
fairies have to be small is a real

749
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:51,990
misnomer and then once you start digging

750
00:30:56,660 --> 00:30:54,030
into the similarities I mean you know

751
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:56,670
the number of little people that were

752
00:30:59,780 --> 00:30:58,290
described as being short and hairy I

753
00:31:02,600 --> 00:30:59,790
mean anything that's sort of a goblin

754
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:02,610
variant by goblin variant I mean you

755
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:05,710
know hobgoblins

756
00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:07,740
[Music]

757
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:11,280
you know brownies I think Peck Enderlin

758
00:31:17,030 --> 00:31:13,890
with another sort of variant you'll find

759
00:31:21,290 --> 00:31:17,040
these you'll find these these

760
00:31:22,820 --> 00:31:21,300
similarities throughout folklore these

761
00:31:25,340 --> 00:31:22,830
like series being described as short

762
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:25,350
little people with hairy bodies and

763
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:26,910
monkey faces or at least you know

764
00:31:30,650 --> 00:31:28,470
wizened wrinkled faces which could

765
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:30,660
describe a monkey face as well so it

766
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:31,770
seems to me there's some similarity

767
00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:32,940
there especially when you consider that

768
00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:35,460
people in the you know in America in the

769
00:31:39,530 --> 00:31:37,140
modern America claim to a scene

770
00:31:42,830 --> 00:31:39,540
Littlefoot which is you know depending

771
00:31:46,340 --> 00:31:42,840
on your own personal uh your own

772
00:31:48,050 --> 00:31:46,350
personal ideas if either a little

773
00:31:50,180 --> 00:31:48,060
Bigfoot like an adolescent Bigfoot or

774
00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:50,190
it's a subspecies sometimes you see them

775
00:31:54,140 --> 00:31:52,260
together and you know that could very

776
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:54,150
well be the case but the number of

777
00:31:57,410 --> 00:31:55,740
Faerie descriptions and people still

778
00:31:59,390 --> 00:31:57,420
encounter fairies like literally through

779
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,400
to this day people say that you know in

780
00:32:05,270 --> 00:32:01,440
everywhere from the woods to you know

781
00:32:07,010 --> 00:32:05,280
you know rooftop gardens in London like

782
00:32:09,380 --> 00:32:07,020
people are still seeing these things how

783
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:09,390
much socket but in those stories but but

784
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:10,440
some of these descriptions don't

785
00:32:14,060 --> 00:32:11,940
describe these little hairy people and

786
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:14,070
you couple that shape-shifting idea with

787
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:15,360
the idea that some people have seen

788
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:18,240
Bigfoot disappear and shape-shift and

789
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:21,090
all these crazy things and it sort of

790
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:22,770
there's a little bit of extra strength

791
00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:24,510
to the to the fairy folk on Hospice um

792
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:25,620
you know people say Bigfoot lives

793
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,570
underground and fairy you know fairyland

794
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:29,760
was often times the pictures being

795
00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:32,250
underground people say that people used

796
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:33,960
to say that you know if your horse was

797
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:35,850
in the stable with this Mane all tangle

798
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,410
and you know tangled and woven together

799
00:32:41,030 --> 00:32:39,840
that was the the fairies who came in or

800
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:41,040
the witches who came in and mill the

801
00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:42,810
night and braided these Mane's and there

802
00:32:46,220 --> 00:32:44,190
are flesh-and-blood bigfooters who claim

803
00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:46,230
now that if you find your horse and it's

804
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:47,100
stable overnight

805
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:49,110
it was the Bigfoot braiding horses mains

806
00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:50,700
so there's a lot of these things that

807
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:52,260
have carried over from the older body of

808
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:53,610
folklore and we're just grasping the

809
00:32:57,710 --> 00:32:56,130
move onto this Bigfoot phenomenon

810
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:57,720
I think that's I think that's pretty in

811
00:33:03,530 --> 00:32:59,580
my case in my sense at least that's

812
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:03,540
relatively obvious that this is at least

813
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:05,250
part of what's going on and you look at

814
00:33:11,060 --> 00:33:07,710
some of these words I mean there are

815
00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:11,070
some there are some Bigfoot variants of

816
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:13,080
some you know First Nations tribes here

817
00:33:19,940 --> 00:33:17,940
in America that literally are literally

818
00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:19,950
you know Bigfoot analogues that are

819
00:33:25,370 --> 00:33:23,790
talked about in scholarly fairy folklore

820
00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:25,380
so the idea that Bigfoot couldn't

821
00:33:30,860 --> 00:33:27,470
possibly be fairies is sort of you know

822
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:30,870
if if we're already done the Bigfoot

823
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:32,850
root why not just go why not try to

824
00:33:36,530 --> 00:33:35,010
accomplish the full you know a spectrum

825
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:36,540
of weirdness the other thing that really

826
00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:38,610
baffled me is you know we tend to think

827
00:33:43,790 --> 00:33:40,860
of you know the lion's share of big

828
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:43,800
footprints being you know five to a foot

829
00:33:48,020 --> 00:33:45,090
prints and I think that's true I think

830
00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:48,030
most of them are you know volume two is

831
00:33:51,890 --> 00:33:49,500
gonna go into things like disappearing

832
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:51,900
trackway is an oddly note oddly numbered

833
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:55,380
toes on to be suppressed that's what I

834
00:33:58,670 --> 00:33:56,970
found interesting is that you know after

835
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,680
five toes the most common thing is these

836
00:34:02,660 --> 00:34:00,480
three-toed footprint I'm truly so

837
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:02,670
fascinated by the Bigfoot phenomenon and

838
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:05,310
you know three toes five toes who knows

839
00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:07,710
there's so many different variants like

840
00:34:14,180 --> 00:34:11,879
you said yeah the tracks are amazing and

841
00:34:18,740 --> 00:34:14,190
I'm glad that you mentioned the story of

842
00:34:21,619 --> 00:34:18,750
the ferry the is Icelandic ferry because

843
00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:21,629
Fay in general is just so misunderstood

844
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:23,220
everybody just goes right to Tinkerbell

845
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,850
and way off way off topic and that kind

846
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:28,800
of brings me to another hairy fairy or

847
00:34:33,980 --> 00:34:31,320
that the hairy extraterrestrials and I

848
00:34:35,409 --> 00:34:33,990
wanted to touch really quickly on

849
00:34:39,619 --> 00:34:35,419
something that kind of made me laugh

850
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:39,629
which is the let's see hair Linda

851
00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:41,970
Moulton Howes 1980 documentary strange

852
00:34:45,740 --> 00:34:43,700
harvest popularizing the idea

853
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:45,750
extraterrestrials caused unexplained

854
00:34:51,169 --> 00:34:48,649
livestock mutilations but there was

855
00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:51,179
basically the idea that it represented a

856
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:53,460
fairy slaughter but then I mean it's

857
00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:55,379
really not a funny topic because hairy

858
00:34:59,900 --> 00:34:58,440
hominids worldwide allegedly kill every

859
00:35:03,470 --> 00:34:59,910
type of livestock and that's kind of

860
00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:03,480
what you go into yeah the livestock

861
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:06,180
mutilations thing we tend to think you

862
00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:07,530
know being involved in these circles

863
00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:09,150
that there's something of the USO

864
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,900
monopoly on

865
00:35:13,630 --> 00:35:11,520
that and I tend to see quite the

866
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:13,640
opposite I think it's one of these cross

867
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:17,520
these interdisciplinary topics and yeah

868
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:19,410
so obviously there's this sort of meme

869
00:35:23,570 --> 00:35:21,960
and youth ology that you know as good as

870
00:35:25,580 --> 00:35:23,580
when this work was it sort of taken on a

871
00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:25,590
life of its own about you know aliens

872
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:29,430
plucking up cows and reading out their

873
00:35:34,010 --> 00:35:31,560
soft tissue with surgical precision to

874
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:34,020
somehow monitor something for some

875
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:36,060
purpose um anyone who's really

876
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:38,010
interested in the key in the cattle the

877
00:35:41,540 --> 00:35:39,480
livestock I've explained livestock

878
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,550
mutilation phenomenon I would recommend

879
00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:43,200
to pick up stalking the herd by Chris

880
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:45,300
O'Brien he does an excellent job of sort

881
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:49,850
of trying to separate the you know the

882
00:35:54,860 --> 00:35:53,130
hysteria from the facts and arrives at

883
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:54,870
you know kind of where I arrived and a

884
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,610
lot of stuff dealing with the paranormal

885
00:36:00,830 --> 00:35:59,280
but a lot of this is mundane some of it

886
00:36:01,850 --> 00:36:00,840
is secret and then there's a significant

887
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:01,860
portion that's just completely

888
00:36:06,140 --> 00:36:05,040
unexplainable but yeah was still on but

889
00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:06,150
people don't know this so like you

890
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:07,470
everybody knows about the cattle

891
00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:09,240
emulation mean amongst ecology but they

892
00:36:13,850 --> 00:36:11,460
don't realize that anybody you know an

893
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:13,860
Irish farmer who would see Cal dead in

894
00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:16,800
his field would at some point have said

895
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:18,660
oh that's that's a harvest for the

896
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:20,760
fairies I'm gonna leave it to them not

897
00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:23,490
gonna bother him with it and yeah the

898
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:25,560
number of the number of animals that

899
00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:29,130
Bigfoot or large hairy hominids has

900
00:36:34,180 --> 00:36:32,190
claimed to kill are just you know

901
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:34,190
astonishing I mean like you know

902
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:37,770
chickens cattle goats horses rabbits and

903
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:41,280
you know yaks you add to this fact

904
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:42,240
something else but I find real

905
00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:44,520
interesting another cattle related

906
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:46,680
similarity between faeries aliens and

907
00:36:52,580 --> 00:36:49,920
Bigfoot is um a lack of milk from

908
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:52,590
someone Cal's actually at which is -

909
00:37:00,920 --> 00:36:58,560
while we're at it so you know again in I

910
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:00,930
would argue to say faerie cultures the

911
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:03,530
world over if your town didn't give milk

912
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:05,730
in any culture that had a belief of

913
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:06,930
little people it was generally assumed

914
00:37:09,740 --> 00:37:08,130
that the little people came along and

915
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:09,750
drained your cow milk this is especially

916
00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:12,650
a prevalent belief in the British Isles

917
00:37:19,340 --> 00:37:17,880
and you know similarly that also got

918
00:37:23,230 --> 00:37:19,350
passed along to which is the idea that

919
00:37:24,940 --> 00:37:23,240
witches would steal cow's milk then they

920
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:24,950
are plenty of stories where Cal's who

921
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,250
don't give milk are blamed on you know

922
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:30,560
UFO sightings about the ranch either the

923
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,690
UFOs literally took the milk or the cows

924
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:35,119
are too frightened to milk and then

925
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,090
there is a really strange subset of

926
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:40,240
stories that people don't talk about of

927
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:43,760
Bigfoot suckling livestock like Bigfoot

928
00:37:48,130 --> 00:37:46,250
like getting a cow into a chokehold and

929
00:37:50,830 --> 00:37:48,140
like cow inserting milk out of

930
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,840
its butter which you know I don't know

931
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:52,880
if I again I don't know if I believe any

932
00:37:57,250 --> 00:37:55,130
any one of those stories but the idea of

933
00:38:00,130 --> 00:37:57,260
how it fits into this larger framework

934
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:00,140
of how we've described these anomalies

935
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:01,850
in the past I think is really

936
00:38:04,660 --> 00:38:03,410
interesting the fact that you have all

937
00:38:07,950 --> 00:38:04,670
these different things that can

938
00:38:13,420 --> 00:38:07,960
supposedly you know Dee Dee mill cacao

939
00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:13,430
it's just really really wild milk in

940
00:38:18,070 --> 00:38:15,470
cows and there's a lot of superstition

941
00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:18,080
and I think that that's kind of the path

942
00:38:25,390 --> 00:38:22,520
I like that you you these these are you

943
00:38:28,330 --> 00:38:25,400
know the witches and you know the aliens

944
00:38:30,910 --> 00:38:28,340
plucking up cows and monitoring and this

945
00:38:32,349 --> 00:38:30,920
is all can be attributed just depending

946
00:38:34,810 --> 00:38:32,359
on the time period two different things

947
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:34,820
and the fail or really tends to really

948
00:38:39,220 --> 00:38:37,280
grab and popularize that at least in

949
00:38:41,170 --> 00:38:39,230
ancient times I wanted to get into

950
00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:41,180
Joshua a little bit of God's ape you

951
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:43,430
know Christian to immunology the the

952
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:45,710
myth of the wild man and among the pan

953
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:48,170
known for rousing from naps with a shout

954
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:49,850
and drunken behavior I thought that was

955
00:38:59,260 --> 00:38:55,760
so cool yeah so part of the reason that

956
00:39:00,910 --> 00:38:59,270
this whole I actually did like a you

957
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:00,920
know there's that meme of Charlie Day

958
00:39:05,290 --> 00:39:01,970
from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia

959
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:05,300
where he does like subscribe of of

960
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:07,250
conspiracy theories whining is long I

961
00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:09,170
actually did a similar when trying to

962
00:39:16,990 --> 00:39:13,369
treat this wild man archetype um so it

963
00:39:20,190 --> 00:39:17,000
is generally accepted fact among

964
00:39:24,580 --> 00:39:20,200
folklorists like in a very unambiguous

965
00:39:27,099 --> 00:39:24,590
uncontroversial way that um to begin

966
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:27,109
with you had something like the satyrs

967
00:39:32,170 --> 00:39:29,450
and the foams the half-man half-goat

968
00:39:35,099 --> 00:39:32,180
creatures like pant in other words and

969
00:39:36,580 --> 00:39:35,109
they were sort of the emissaries of

970
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:36,590
Dionysus or

971
00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:37,850
that's depending on whether you want to

972
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:41,740
go the road one of the Greek route and

973
00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:43,850
as part of the reason as you mentioned

974
00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:44,630
like you know the reason that people

975
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,270
would the word panic comes from this

976
00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:49,520
sense of being lost in the woods and the

977
00:39:53,380 --> 00:39:51,260
idea was that you know there was the god

978
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:53,390
Pan injecting this artificial fear into

979
00:39:56,770 --> 00:39:55,130
you that panic is like a term for an

980
00:39:59,260 --> 00:39:56,780
actual artificial fear pulse

981
00:40:01,420 --> 00:39:59,270
now of course satyrs and fauns and you

982
00:40:04,210 --> 00:40:01,430
know philotheus and Sylvester's if you

983
00:40:05,530 --> 00:40:04,220
want to sort of go to other names for

984
00:40:08,410 --> 00:40:05,540
these creatures these half-man half-goat

985
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:08,420
creatures obviously fall under the fairy

986
00:40:13,150 --> 00:40:10,730
folklore umbrella they're they're sort

987
00:40:15,610 --> 00:40:13,160
of pagan genius loci but you know so

988
00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:15,620
here with Dionysus and Bacchus what

989
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:17,750
happens is you've had Christianity come

990
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:22,610
in and you know obviously demonize a lot

991
00:40:28,930 --> 00:40:25,190
of pagan entities also sort of wanting

992
00:40:31,060 --> 00:40:28,940
to incorporate them so the satyrs and

993
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:31,070
fauns that sort of half-man half-goat

994
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,170
imagery was appropriated for tea which

995
00:40:41,260 --> 00:40:38,480
is you know a popular image but it's

996
00:40:44,610 --> 00:40:41,270
it's very much accepted fact among

997
00:40:48,370 --> 00:40:44,620
folklorist the Seder and form archetypes

998
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:48,380
tie directly into an evolution of the

999
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:50,390
wild man archetype so what was once

1000
00:40:53,860 --> 00:40:52,010
layers and forms these have been out

1001
00:40:57,370 --> 00:40:53,870
there sort of transformed over time into

1002
00:40:59,320 --> 00:40:57,380
hairy men / hairy half-man half-ape sort

1003
00:41:01,090 --> 00:40:59,330
of creatures that rhythm the forest at

1004
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:01,100
the same time on a separate tangent you

1005
00:41:06,070 --> 00:41:03,770
know Dionysus who's often depicted as

1006
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:06,080
this God with what they call a foliate

1007
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,970
motifs or like this vegetation around

1008
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:09,440
its head and if you've ever seen once

1009
00:41:14,650 --> 00:41:11,090
you see at once you'll see a time and

1010
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,660
again the Green Man image and you'll

1011
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:15,760
find a lot of times of night

1012
00:41:20,380 --> 00:41:18,710
architecture on through the world over

1013
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:20,390
what it is an archetype the type that

1014
00:41:24,310 --> 00:41:22,850
appears and you know civilizations that

1015
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:24,320
didn't have any contact it sort of

1016
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:26,090
emerges independently on its own but

1017
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:27,770
you'll find an even a lot of Christian

1018
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,800
churches in in Europe this idea of like

1019
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:32,960
the lamb in other words the wild man of

1020
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:35,810
the woods was completed with Dionysus

1021
00:41:40,570 --> 00:41:37,970
the wild man of the woods was the log

1022
00:41:42,070 --> 00:41:40,580
rose water rose takes a lot of

1023
00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:42,080
inspiration from the north

1024
00:41:47,590 --> 00:41:45,980
Odin as well and Odin is Odin the

1025
00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:47,600
combined with the Wildman I read this

1026
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:50,180
verse numerous times yes

1027
00:41:53,290 --> 00:41:51,530
like there's the Christian Saint

1028
00:41:54,310 --> 00:41:53,300
Christopher st. cliffs Saint Nicholas

1029
00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:54,320
rather there's a Christian Saint

1030
00:41:59,950 --> 00:41:58,250
Nicholas but that name was largely

1031
00:42:02,650 --> 00:41:59,960
completed with this Wildmon archetype

1032
00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:02,660
this wild man Odin an archetype so you

1033
00:42:06,250 --> 00:42:03,950
end up getting Santa Claus I mean that's

1034
00:42:09,370 --> 00:42:06,260
the reason that you know I'm sure you

1035
00:42:12,310 --> 00:42:09,380
know Odin had a seven legged sorry an

1036
00:42:14,220 --> 00:42:12,320
eight-legged horse named spike near and

1037
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:14,230
that's why Santa has eight tiny reindeer

1038
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:17,930
you know drawing your time

1039
00:42:24,190 --> 00:42:21,410
you know elves make toys and and you

1040
00:42:25,330 --> 00:42:24,200
know dried mushrooms in stockings beside

1041
00:42:27,970 --> 00:42:25,340
you through the use of psychedelic

1042
00:42:32,110 --> 00:42:27,980
effects there's hope in that direction

1043
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:32,120
but so I found that to say that once

1044
00:42:38,650 --> 00:42:34,010
there was this you know conflation of um

1045
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:38,660
of these strategies these emissaries of

1046
00:42:42,820 --> 00:42:40,850
Dionysus with with the devil and with

1047
00:42:46,060 --> 00:42:42,830
demons you sort of had this output of

1048
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:46,070
exactly --part diets a twitch so he

1049
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:47,810
literally never you know the forces of

1050
00:42:51,970 --> 00:42:50,210
of mankind lesser nature were the pick

1051
00:42:53,410 --> 00:42:51,980
to the States but also met God's ape in

1052
00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:53,420
terms of right you know the devil was

1053
00:42:56,770 --> 00:42:55,070
aping what God was trying to do we was

1054
00:43:00,160 --> 00:42:56,780
trying to imitate what dad was trying to

1055
00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:00,170
do um but you know it becomes

1056
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:02,750
increasingly difficult if you look

1057
00:43:09,550 --> 00:43:06,800
through these older these older texts to

1058
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:09,560
separate out you know what a forest

1059
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:12,110
demon was versus what a wild man was and

1060
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:15,290
it very much seems like you know in the

1061
00:43:20,620 --> 00:43:18,650
case of say that it was a narrative in

1062
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:20,630
the book from the text of two

1063
00:43:24,670 --> 00:43:22,250
missionaries who are travelling through

1064
00:43:26,050 --> 00:43:24,680
these mountains in France to took in the

1065
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,060
vertical region and they're pelted with

1066
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:28,880
stones by a demon of the forest well

1067
00:43:32,530 --> 00:43:31,280
between being pelted with stones and

1068
00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:32,540
saying a demon of the forest with all

1069
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:33,950
this other baggage it's only they're

1070
00:43:39,310 --> 00:43:37,490
describing it was it a man creature and

1071
00:43:41,890 --> 00:43:39,320
you see this something I'm even in you

1072
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:41,900
know modern place-names today like the

1073
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:43,670
number of places that have devil in

1074
00:43:46,450 --> 00:43:44,810
their name that are associated with

1075
00:43:47,830 --> 00:43:46,460
Bigfoot in the number of times people

1076
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:47,840
call them Mountain Devils or small

1077
00:43:55,390 --> 00:43:52,970
Devils or Devils etcetera is is this

1078
00:43:58,359 --> 00:43:55,400
pretty startling but so if the cancer

1079
00:44:00,490 --> 00:43:58,369
handbook for sinning there's a sculpture

1080
00:44:02,049 --> 00:44:00,500
of book of the fall of me in the Garden

1081
00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:02,059
of Eden and it's like you know it's uh

1082
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:05,000
I didn't even there's also an ape hangin

1083
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:07,210
out there mm-hmm

1084
00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:10,490
so yeah there's this association with

1085
00:44:18,339 --> 00:44:13,750
with the Apes being something that were

1086
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:18,349
you know low and base and and what

1087
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:20,569
there's been a times a most Ignatian and

1088
00:44:24,279 --> 00:44:22,609
you see all these things sort of

1089
00:44:27,210 --> 00:44:24,289
combined some lines with the story of

1090
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:27,220
the traverse spine gorilla which was

1091
00:44:31,870 --> 00:44:30,049
basically a Bigfoot sighting in Labrador

1092
00:44:34,690 --> 00:44:31,880
Canada but the thing about it was that

1093
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:34,700
even though it had a bunch of credible

1094
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:38,240
witnesses including a doctor associated

1095
00:44:42,609 --> 00:44:40,730
with the case um these Bigfoot left

1096
00:44:46,349 --> 00:44:42,619
behind clothes and footprints they

1097
00:44:50,529 --> 00:44:46,359
described as besides like a large ox so

1098
00:44:51,970 --> 00:44:50,539
it's so it becomes like so many of these

1099
00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:51,980
things really difficult to separate out

1100
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:53,660
all these different influences out but

1101
00:44:57,279 --> 00:44:54,410
yeah yeah

1102
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,289
but the idea that that of those older

1103
00:45:02,859 --> 00:44:59,359
ideas are not so mental influencing what

1104
00:45:07,210 --> 00:45:02,869
we see today is is I think a little bit

1105
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,220
short-sighted yeah and there's I think

1106
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,680
it's interesting so interesting that the

1107
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:11,599
woman in white and Bigfoot on the

1108
00:45:16,510 --> 00:45:13,609
battlefield was also something you

1109
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:16,520
mentioned in the book getting getting

1110
00:45:23,890 --> 00:45:20,240
into some of the stranger aspects of of

1111
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:23,900
where this headed and where where do

1112
00:45:28,210 --> 00:45:26,510
these two things merge and I mean the

1113
00:45:29,470 --> 00:45:28,220
book goes into great detail but for

1114
00:45:36,839 --> 00:45:29,480
those that haven't read it could you

1115
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:39,160
divided into two books the first one of

1116
00:45:43,210 --> 00:45:41,450
which is folklore I mean there's

1117
00:45:45,549 --> 00:45:43,220
folklore in volume 2 and there's

1118
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:45,559
evidence in volume 1 but they tend to

1119
00:45:49,950 --> 00:45:47,119
try to find some way to separate this

1120
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:49,960
apparently so far as one looks at how

1121
00:45:54,190 --> 00:45:52,250
all those things reported in Dixville or

1122
00:45:56,049 --> 00:45:54,200
attire back in the folklore and volume 2

1123
00:45:59,230 --> 00:45:56,059
looks at the anomalous evidence so like

1124
00:46:01,380 --> 00:45:59,240
these ending track waves these are they

1125
00:46:05,530 --> 00:46:01,390
number taupe

1126
00:46:08,020 --> 00:46:05,540
things like things like we're holding a

1127
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:08,030
little visual recordings of our lights

1128
00:46:12,430 --> 00:46:10,850
around big fret so it's kind of all it's

1129
00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:12,440
it's not virtually a place to separate

1130
00:46:19,420 --> 00:46:17,390
it but you know we track I think I think

1131
00:46:21,490 --> 00:46:19,430
you could say that this book covers you

1132
00:46:24,310 --> 00:46:21,500
know window areas poltergeists and

1133
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:24,320
aliens and fairies and ghosts and

1134
00:46:30,310 --> 00:46:28,370
witches and ritual magic and this woman

1135
00:46:32,650 --> 00:46:30,320
in white archetype all you know filtered

1136
00:46:36,070 --> 00:46:32,660
through the to the frame of the Bigfoot

1137
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:36,080
phenomena um the only wife saying I

1138
00:46:40,180 --> 00:46:38,510
thought was complete BS with ten took

1139
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:40,190
because it's completely Tim's baby Tim's

1140
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:46,160
idea I'm about 98% sure that he's the

1141
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:47,090
first person ever to make this

1142
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:48,770
connection tool I've never heard of it

1143
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:50,210
and I thought he was really barking up

1144
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:53,630
the wrong tree but um he sound in odd

1145
00:46:58,830 --> 00:46:55,790
number of cases where people is all big

1146
00:47:01,300 --> 00:46:58,840
for it either saw Bigfoots in

1147
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:01,310
conjunction with an anomalous woman in

1148
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:05,570
white or he found them

1149
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:07,370
some people seeing Bigfoot had tried to

1150
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:09,110
like ponds that have this woman in white

1151
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,450
character who's dying by the edge of the

1152
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,000
edge of a pond again if you know

1153
00:47:18,580 --> 00:47:16,400
something at all like the woman in white

1154
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:18,590
the woman in gray the one in green the

1155
00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:19,760
woman in black right there are these

1156
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,110
different sort of like ghost archetypes

1157
00:47:25,150 --> 00:47:22,880
yeah every castle has their lady in gray

1158
00:47:27,310 --> 00:47:25,160
like get over it but but there seems to

1159
00:47:31,950 --> 00:47:27,320
be a special affinity for these white

1160
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:31,960
women and and women in white not

1161
00:47:42,580 --> 00:47:34,850
different somebody's woman in white and

1162
00:47:44,770 --> 00:47:42,590
uh and Bigfoot and you know it also

1163
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:44,780
dismissed this white color the Thin Man

1164
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:46,850
against diver said there's tears baby so

1165
00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:48,410
I'll try not to butcher it but the thing

1166
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:50,630
that really blew it up and for Tim was

1167
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:52,640
that there's a Teutonic moon goddess

1168
00:47:58,420 --> 00:47:55,760
whose name was depending on the region

1169
00:48:02,350 --> 00:47:58,430
either Bertha or perked up and her

1170
00:48:04,030 --> 00:48:02,360
retinue she had very large feet so

1171
00:48:07,660 --> 00:48:04,040
they're checked off the checked off the

1172
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:07,670
you know Bigfoot idea and her retinue

1173
00:48:12,460 --> 00:48:10,250
was was comprised

1174
00:48:15,820 --> 00:48:12,470
actions are one of them were hydrogen

1175
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:15,830
which were these the spirits of you know

1176
00:48:21,790 --> 00:48:19,760
abandoned children who appeared as these

1177
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:21,800
glowing orbs of light as well the wisps

1178
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:23,330
which we see in time think in the

1179
00:48:29,260 --> 00:48:25,010
context of Bigfoot sightings the world

1180
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:29,270
over and also the other component were

1181
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:33,250
lead the president depicted a belief

1182
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:37,910
which were a group of wild men who in

1183
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:39,710
some quarters especially easier or the

1184
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:40,970
take the picture this being sort of

1185
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,890
clamp a spike which brings us all the

1186
00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:44,480
way back around to that you know form

1187
00:48:49,390 --> 00:48:47,630
say the sort of thing as well but yeah

1188
00:48:55,630 --> 00:48:49,400
she was this woman in white he was

1189
00:48:57,850 --> 00:48:55,640
following who was following her was

1190
00:49:00,310 --> 00:48:57,860
followed by anomalous lights and you

1191
00:49:01,870 --> 00:49:00,320
know big hairy wild men so I think that

1192
00:49:03,970 --> 00:49:01,880
sort of speaks for itself and then you

1193
00:49:05,110 --> 00:49:03,980
know attended a lot of introduced only

1194
00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:05,120
four people he's talked to you but some

1195
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:07,670
other cases as well of their being these

1196
00:49:12,820 --> 00:49:10,880
women and white that are seen in really

1197
00:49:15,340 --> 00:49:12,830
strange circumstances there's an in

1198
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:15,350
occur that he tells from the Sasquatch

1199
00:49:18,580 --> 00:49:17,450
Chronicle podcast or this woman who

1200
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:18,590
looked like a homeless woman who's

1201
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:19,930
always dressed in white by these large

1202
00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:23,810
oversized feet it was a king at the same

1203
00:49:29,110 --> 00:49:25,190
time these two brothers were having some

1204
00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:29,120
really not only violent but really

1205
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:31,190
strange Bigfoot activity around the

1206
00:49:35,050 --> 00:49:33,650
house and at one point the woman just to

1207
00:49:36,460 --> 00:49:35,060
vanish in front of their eyes after they

1208
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:36,470
confronted her and all sorts of stuff

1209
00:49:42,340 --> 00:49:38,810
but if you look at you know if you look

1210
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:42,350
at sponsors you know heavy Bigfoot

1211
00:49:47,890 --> 00:49:45,050
activity you have you know get us better

1212
00:49:50,410 --> 00:49:47,900
battlefield which has plenty of Bigfoot

1213
00:49:52,540 --> 00:49:50,420
stories predating the war and you know

1214
00:49:54,910 --> 00:49:52,550
women and white stories after the war

1215
00:49:57,820 --> 00:49:54,920
similarly take a log of National Park

1216
00:49:58,450 --> 00:49:57,830
which is the battlefield in North

1217
00:50:03,160 --> 00:49:58,460
Georgia

1218
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:03,170
um has a post battle um had a woman in

1219
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:04,730
white Specter who supposedly was

1220
00:50:10,030 --> 00:50:07,130
carrying a torch looking for a you know

1221
00:50:12,910 --> 00:50:10,040
a Hirschfeld lover while the same time

1222
00:50:15,579 --> 00:50:12,920
there was predating the battlefield even

1223
00:50:18,339 --> 00:50:15,589
according to some sources you know

1224
00:50:19,779 --> 00:50:18,349
foolish hair covered monster that also

1225
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:19,789
crowd the battlefield as well machine

1226
00:50:26,410 --> 00:50:23,170
post-war doubling up the corpses of

1227
00:50:28,809 --> 00:50:26,420
Confederate soldiers and has been seen

1228
00:50:30,459 --> 00:50:28,819
since then had that battle site as well

1229
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:30,469
as the white light wave lady in one as

1230
00:50:35,410 --> 00:50:33,529
well you know on this sort of comes to a

1231
00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:35,420
head in that 8k the story which I read

1232
00:50:39,549 --> 00:50:37,849
the two earlier which is familiar a

1233
00:50:43,029 --> 00:50:39,559
teeny there's also alvin trotted out as

1234
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:43,039
this like exemplary story of what

1235
00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:44,930
bigfoot can do and it's the story about

1236
00:50:50,979 --> 00:50:48,529
these miners who who showed up at this

1237
00:50:54,370 --> 00:50:50,989
prospecting site outside of mounts at

1238
00:50:56,769 --> 00:50:54,380
Helens and were basically deceived by

1239
00:50:58,690 --> 00:50:56,779
Bigfoot for an evening in a different

1240
00:51:01,599 --> 00:50:58,700
religion hands through the hole in the

1241
00:51:02,979 --> 00:51:01,609
cabin and they're you know they're

1242
00:51:04,539 --> 00:51:02,989
shooting through the community through

1243
00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:04,549
the slats from the cabin trying to drive

1244
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:06,140
the Bigfoot alternate or any rocks and

1245
00:51:08,799 --> 00:51:07,369
boulders at the cabin all this

1246
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:08,809
definitely here for most cryptological

1247
00:51:14,249 --> 00:51:11,119
sources what you don't hear is that

1248
00:51:16,989 --> 00:51:14,259
right back who read everybody there was

1249
00:51:17,620 --> 00:51:16,999
he wasn't the octopus but he had a lot

1250
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:17,630
of things

1251
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:22,400
he sort of he didn't have the the

1252
00:51:26,910 --> 00:51:23,930
Orientalist training that a lot of

1253
00:51:29,859 --> 00:51:26,920
Theosophists adopted but he did have a

1254
00:51:32,109 --> 00:51:29,869
theological sort of damage shows the way

1255
00:51:34,180 --> 00:51:32,119
the thought of us often he had anomalous

1256
00:51:37,180 --> 00:51:34,190
event alter his childhood um beside that

1257
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:37,190
they were read to that they're called

1258
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:42,319
the a canyon attacks was actually he was

1259
00:51:45,729 --> 00:51:43,849
actually totally like questioned by like

1260
00:51:47,259 --> 00:51:45,739
this large Native American spirit he

1261
00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:47,269
said they told him to follow this white

1262
00:51:51,489 --> 00:51:49,849
arrow in the sky which sounds like he

1263
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:51,499
with anything again he connects with a

1264
00:51:57,459 --> 00:51:53,930
white quality to UM and they named the

1265
00:52:00,880 --> 00:51:57,469
mining claim after another female spirit

1266
00:52:03,579 --> 00:52:00,890
guide of his named van der white to a

1267
00:52:05,019 --> 00:52:03,589
lady with a white lady connotation at

1268
00:52:06,759 --> 00:52:05,029
their tail and and the you know the

1269
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:06,769
eighteen story has some some outliers

1270
00:52:11,499 --> 00:52:09,529
that are very strange there is an eight

1271
00:52:13,930 --> 00:52:11,509
or but there's a report of a pistol so

1272
00:52:15,579 --> 00:52:13,940
to FedEx and at one point the cabin when

1273
00:52:16,660 --> 00:52:15,589
he needed a pencil he said it was pencil

1274
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:16,670
from his own that just appeared this

1275
00:52:20,529 --> 00:52:19,369
hand there was a load drumming sound

1276
00:52:21,489 --> 00:52:20,539
that sounded like it was coming from

1277
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:21,499
underground

1278
00:52:26,860 --> 00:52:24,319
around the a king is right and there are

1279
00:52:28,930 --> 00:52:26,870
also two Bigfoot's a Bigfoot perhaps

1280
00:52:32,350 --> 00:52:28,940
were appears a sandbag what about maker

1281
00:52:34,780 --> 00:52:32,360
wide in the middle of a river and it

1282
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:34,790
looked like it was about you know 60

1283
00:52:40,780 --> 00:52:38,930
yards I think you know no no no for

1284
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:40,790
persuading opportunities at plants or

1285
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,710
out of school out of the sandbars once

1286
00:52:48,940 --> 00:52:45,200
you think they can jump that high you

1287
00:52:51,130 --> 00:52:48,950
know that's that pushes your pushes your

1288
00:52:54,570 --> 00:52:51,140
belief system for a larger home in it

1289
00:52:57,940 --> 00:52:54,580
even well the other guys in the clean

1290
00:52:59,830 --> 00:52:57,950
not sit back but the other individual

1291
00:53:02,170 --> 00:52:59,840
said you know it was almost as if

1292
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:02,180
something had dropped whatever made

1293
00:53:05,590 --> 00:53:03,650
these two giant footprints out of the

1294
00:53:07,690 --> 00:53:05,600
sky and picked it back up which is

1295
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:07,700
sounds very you know something UFO

1296
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:11,570
sounds very spontaneous spontaneously

1297
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:16,640
you know manifesting but that is the way

1298
00:53:22,420 --> 00:53:18,890
these things go they're wild and crazy

1299
00:53:23,740 --> 00:53:22,430
and you know I wanted this is

1300
00:53:25,810 --> 00:53:23,750
interesting

1301
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:25,820
speaking of synchronicity coincidence

1302
00:53:29,470 --> 00:53:27,050
etcetera is something you kind of go

1303
00:53:33,310 --> 00:53:29,480
into in the book I purchased a ranch

1304
00:53:35,470 --> 00:53:33,320
south of the famous Utah UFO ranch and I

1305
00:53:36,970 --> 00:53:35,480
just got word while we're recording that

1306
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,980
a section of the buildings on the

1307
00:53:41,830 --> 00:53:38,720
property just got struck by lightning

1308
00:53:43,690 --> 00:53:41,840
and is on fire so I guess I'm familiar

1309
00:53:45,130 --> 00:53:43,700
with like the synchronicity the

1310
00:53:47,350 --> 00:53:45,140
supernatural synchronicity and the

1311
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:47,360
coincidence of bad luck but I kind of

1312
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,000
wanted to go down that that like we

1313
00:53:54,270 --> 00:53:52,160
encounter some of those low drumming

1314
00:53:56,650 --> 00:53:54,280
sounds underground up there and

1315
00:53:59,110 --> 00:53:56,660
shapeshifters and I wanted to go into

1316
00:54:01,150 --> 00:53:59,120
shapeshifters and Moki and water babies

1317
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:01,160
women and you know the women and white

1318
00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:02,930
thing is so strange but it does seem to

1319
00:54:11,380 --> 00:54:04,670
kind of have ties to these other things

1320
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,390
and of course skinwalkers yeah yeah

1321
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:13,760
that's that drumming / noises from

1322
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:16,730
underground saying is really I don't

1323
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:17,930
even know what to make of that I mean

1324
00:54:21,970 --> 00:54:20,270
you know you can sort of clear your head

1325
00:54:24,610 --> 00:54:21,980
sideways of screen say it sounds like

1326
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,620
stories of you know elves delving

1327
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:26,240
underground and all sorts of stuff like

1328
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:26,450
that

1329
00:54:32,349 --> 00:54:28,089
[Music]

1330
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:32,359
also underground underground bases it

1331
00:54:37,150 --> 00:54:33,710
was stuff like that you find it you know

1332
00:54:38,319 --> 00:54:37,160
modern euro war you know Tim he doesn't

1333
00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:38,329
talk about in the book but here

1334
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:41,260
experience where he just he was

1335
00:54:46,089 --> 00:54:43,010
communicating with something leaving

1336
00:54:47,730 --> 00:54:46,099
Cairns back and forth and he had one

1337
00:54:49,660 --> 00:54:47,740
instance where he went down there and

1338
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:49,670
things were shifted in the way they

1339
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,770
should have been and he had this

1340
00:54:57,130 --> 00:54:53,839
irrational fear of him and this like

1341
00:54:58,809 --> 00:54:57,140
dead decaying skunk smell hit him and he

1342
00:54:59,890 --> 00:54:58,819
just was paralyzed like okay I've been

1343
00:55:01,960 --> 00:54:59,900
asking for it I'm gonna see a Bigfoot

1344
00:55:03,849 --> 00:55:01,970
and then here these three clicks he says

1345
00:55:07,450 --> 00:55:03,859
that were like gears clicking in the

1346
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:07,460
place and everything was fine and the

1347
00:55:11,319 --> 00:55:09,650
fear laughter completely many serious or

1348
00:55:13,870 --> 00:55:11,329
destroy as these like mechanical sounds

1349
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,880
coming out of nowhere I mean there are

1350
00:55:17,140 --> 00:55:15,680
plenty of examples in that pal Billy in

1351
00:55:19,150 --> 00:55:17,150
sweet book and I mentioned Bigfoot which

1352
00:55:21,339 --> 00:55:19,160
we actually reference that and book as

1353
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:21,349
well um Paul SATA stuff like skinwalker

1354
00:55:33,940 --> 00:55:31,520
ranch um yeah you know um what kind of a

1355
00:55:36,250 --> 00:55:33,950
problem with the word skinwalker because

1356
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:36,260
it feels like it's become something of

1357
00:55:42,339 --> 00:55:39,770
like a catch-all for a lot of different

1358
00:55:44,829 --> 00:55:42,349
phenomena um you know you saw a large

1359
00:55:46,750 --> 00:55:44,839
wolf oh it's a skinwalker you saw a dark

1360
00:55:48,579 --> 00:55:46,760
man at the skinwalker you saw Manny just

1361
00:55:49,809 --> 00:55:48,589
you know it's an indigenous man who

1362
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,819
disappeared along the side of the road

1363
00:55:53,799 --> 00:55:51,200
or at skinwalker or you saw a large

1364
00:55:57,730 --> 00:55:53,809
hominid the skinwalker maybe like I

1365
00:56:00,430 --> 00:55:57,740
definitely get that I just think of that

1366
00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:00,440
because you know these are people and

1367
00:56:05,470 --> 00:56:04,190
you know Danae tradition who were

1368
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:05,480
attributed the powers of shape-shifting

1369
00:56:11,530 --> 00:56:08,480
but it almost seems like it seems like

1370
00:56:14,109 --> 00:56:11,540
the way that people in you know the 19th

1371
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:14,119
and 18th centuries would use the word

1372
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:16,730
theory you know that's very weird have

1373
00:56:23,140 --> 00:56:18,290
no it's very it's the fairies it's that

1374
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:23,150
sort of thing um so you know I can't it

1375
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:26,230
can't ignore the fact that there are

1376
00:56:35,410 --> 00:56:32,170
certain tribes that that believe that

1377
00:56:37,329 --> 00:56:35,420
that Bigfoot is at the facto pape

1378
00:56:38,910 --> 00:56:37,339
shifter who was you know once a human

1379
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:38,920
being who took on

1380
00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:41,529
console' their sole in some capacity to

1381
00:56:45,809 --> 00:56:43,150
take on these supernatural abilities the

1382
00:56:48,180 --> 00:56:45,819
the Makani the some tribes around one of

1383
00:56:49,319 --> 00:56:48,190
the large lakes and canada they called

1384
00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:49,329
they call this their they flip the

1385
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,529
newtonian that's exactly what they

1386
00:56:57,089 --> 00:56:52,720
described it you know there was another

1387
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,099
silly york described the Omaha Omaha as

1388
00:57:00,960 --> 00:56:59,440
a human being who left there tried to

1389
00:57:02,910 --> 00:57:00,970
sort of become devils and that certainly

1390
00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:02,920
that certainly lives up with the

1391
00:57:10,980 --> 00:57:07,750
conflation of skinwalkers and and large

1392
00:57:12,809 --> 00:57:10,990
hairy hominids you know as well um a

1393
00:57:15,329 --> 00:57:12,819
little bit more about shape-shifting in

1394
00:57:18,539 --> 00:57:15,339
book two um but that's something that

1395
00:57:20,279 --> 00:57:18,549
people don't like to talk about but it's

1396
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:20,289
also on this thing but it sort of found

1397
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:23,650
its way in even mundane ways into like

1398
00:57:26,759 --> 00:57:25,569
traditional bigfooting because even

1399
00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:26,769
people who are like flesh-and-blood

1400
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:28,809
bigfooters say oh yeah they can stand

1401
00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:30,730
really still and and their hair is up

1402
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:33,369
looking like the bark of the tree now I

1403
00:57:38,759 --> 00:57:36,210
mean that may be the case but that's

1404
00:57:42,839 --> 00:57:38,769
that's the mental level of mimicry that

1405
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:42,849
it's like sub octopus level of victory

1406
00:57:46,740 --> 00:57:44,650
because you're not only changing you

1407
00:57:50,539 --> 00:57:46,750
know you might be changing the color of

1408
00:57:53,069 --> 00:57:50,549
your hair but you also like somehow your

1409
00:57:54,779 --> 00:57:53,079
your hair looks like bark I'd be like I

1410
00:57:56,519 --> 00:57:54,789
would buy big for looking like a clone

1411
00:57:58,499 --> 00:57:56,529
but leaves pride by that because you

1412
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,509
know there's obviously the number of

1413
00:58:01,529 --> 00:58:00,400
cases where people have said looks like

1414
00:58:06,420 --> 00:58:01,539
somebody running around in the ghillie

1415
00:58:07,950 --> 00:58:06,430
suit are you know Legion so you know

1416
00:58:09,359 --> 00:58:07,960
like I think that there's something to

1417
00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:09,369
that too that Bigfoot skinwalker

1418
00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:13,390
tradition I just I have a hard time

1419
00:58:18,660 --> 00:58:17,230
saying anything XYZ as a skinwalker I

1420
00:58:20,249 --> 00:58:18,670
can say it it's something necessarily

1421
00:58:22,170 --> 00:58:20,259
resonates with skinwalker tradition but

1422
00:58:23,940 --> 00:58:22,180
I have a hard time putting a pin in it

1423
00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:23,950
and saying oh yeah it was a skinwalker

1424
00:58:29,579 --> 00:58:26,500
what a great point to make I can't agree

1425
00:58:32,220 --> 00:58:29,589
more and I am going to just go ahead and

1426
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:32,230
start wrapping things up your creativity

1427
00:58:38,609 --> 00:58:35,410
the popularity of your new book such a

1428
00:58:43,730 --> 00:58:38,619
likeable writing style I can't thank you

1429
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:43,740
enough for all of the information and

1430
00:58:49,410 --> 00:58:47,890
stories recounted in in in that book

1431
00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:49,420
everybody should really get a copy it's

1432
00:58:56,310 --> 00:58:53,260
great where the footprints end by Joshua

1433
00:58:59,790 --> 00:58:56,320
touch'n and Timothy Renner you can go to

1434
00:59:04,560 --> 00:58:59,800
Joshua kuchen dot-com you can also go to

1435
00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:04,570
dark holler arts calm and the book is

1436
00:59:11,580 --> 00:59:07,990
available on Amazon as well be sure to

1437
00:59:14,430 --> 00:59:11,590
check the new volumes coming out in the

1438
00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:14,440
near future and other works by Joshua

1439
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:17,950
kuchen and be sure to keep track of him

1440
00:59:24,660 --> 00:59:20,530
on social media you can find him at

1441
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:24,670
Joshua kitchen at Facebook and Joshua

1442
00:59:30,180 --> 00:59:28,000
kitchen calm until next time my friends

1443
00:59:32,340 --> 00:59:30,190
keep your eyes to the skies feet on the

1444
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:32,350
ground but don't forget to take a look